[CA] How should severance pay and paid-out PTO be reported when filing for unemployment benefits?

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Yes, you would report the severance and paid-out PTO on the dates you received them. For the last day worked, you should report February 11, as that's the last day you performed work duties. The wages you received until March 20 are not considered "wages for work" since you weren't actively working, so you don't report them as such.

This tracks the statutory framework for unemployment eligibility: a claimant is "unemployed" in any week in which no services are performed and no wages are payable (Unemployment Insurance Code § 1252), and payments like severance made under a separation plan are excluded from the definition of "wages" for unemployment purposes (CA Unemp Ins Code § 1265), a rule the California Supreme Court confirmed in Powell v. California Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board (63 Cal. 2d 103 (1965)). Paid-out PTO, by contrast, reflects wages already earned for work performed and is generally treated as reportable income when filing.

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I'm confused on how to file for unemployment, after having been terminated and receiving severance pay.

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I understand that navigating unemployment claims can be stressful, especially after termination. Have you already received your severance pay, and if so, when did you receive it?

Yes, received a few weeks after my last day on payroll.

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Lexi
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Were you employed full-time or part-time at the time of your termination?

Full time.

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Is there anything else the Employment Lawyer should know before I connect you? Rest assured they'll be able to help with your unemployment filing.

No.

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Hi there!  My name is Liz and I've been an attorney for more than a decade, and I am here to assist with your legal concerns. No attorney-client relationship is formed from our conversation. So I can best help, in what state would you be seeking unemployment?

California.

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Understood. That means you'll be filing with the Employment Development Department (EDD). You can apply online or via phone. Were you terminated through no fault of your own?

I was terminated for performance.

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Liz

Got it, thanks for sharing that. Did the severance mention unemployment?

The severance agreement stated that I did not release claims for "Unemployment benefits pursuant to the terms of applicable law (to the extent available to you under applicable law)

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Liz

With it being performance, was it just not meeting metrics?

Yes.

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That is not considered being terminated for cause that would block unemployment. For cause in that case would require something like intentional insubordination.

No, it was not being terminated for cause. My confusion is when filing with EDD, I am asked to report my last day worked. Technically, my last day with system access was February 11, but I still was on payroll with full benefits (as if I were a full-time employee) until March 20. Does that mean my last day worked was February 11, or March 20? And if it's February 11, does that mean I receive in-lieu-of-notice pay? Secondly, EDD is asking me not to report any wages for work. Does severance pay count as wages for work, since I had to sign an NDA and release of claims in exchange for receiving the severance pay lump sum payment (which was received around early April)?

The wording on EDD implies that severance pay is provided between a start and end date, but I received it in a lump sum all on one day. I am basically not sure how to report these things properly in my initial claim, and I don't want to lose out on potential benefits.

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Liz
Liz

For EDD purposes, your "last day worked" is typically the last day you performed work duties, which in your case would be February 11. Since you were on payroll until March 20 but not actively working, February 11 is the date to report. Regarding in-lieu-of-notice pay, this usually applies if you were paid for a notice period without working. Since you were on payroll with benefits until March 20, it seems like you were given notice, not in-lieu-of-notice pay. In California, severance pay is not considered "wages" for unemployment purposes (Unemployment Insurance Code § 1265). Since you received it as a lump sum and not tied to a specific period of work, you generally do not report it as wages. Does that all make sense?

I see, so I report last day worked as February 11. And, I wouldn't report any wages earned between February 11 and March 20, because I didn't "earn" those? And I wouldn't report any in-lieu-of-notice pay, and I also wouldn't report any severance pay, correct?

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Liz
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Exactly, you've got it! You should report February 11 as your last day worked. Since you didn't actually work between February 11 and March 20, you don't report wages for that period. Also, you don't need to report in-lieu-of-notice pay or severance pay.

Also, I had received my paid-out PTO payment on March 20 (the PTO that I had earned during work). I was still accruing PTO between February 11 and March 20. Do I report that?

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Liz
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Paid-out PTO is considered earned wages, so you should report it when filing your claim.

Sorry, I'm still a bit confused. The initial EDD claim application says "Do not include any wages for work," wouldn't paid-out PTO fall under that category?

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Liz

Could I see a screenshot? Normally you would report earned wages.

I can't seem to upload a screenshot here, but I can upload it and send a link.

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That works.

Ok, one second.

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Take your time, I'm here when you're ready.

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Oh! So in that case, they mean specifically only wages. So you'd click for the PTO and the severance as their own boxes.

I see, and so I'd report the severance and the paid-out PTO received on those dates (early April and March 20, respectively)? And to make sure I understand the last day worked again, I report February 11, and because I received wages until March 20, because it's "wages for work," it wouldn't be reportable, correct? I am only a bit concerned because I don't want EDD to think I am claiming unemployment pay when I was already being paid for that period.

"Last Day of Work: This is the last day you worked for this employer, even if you have not been paid. If you worked today, put today's date. This does not include vacation, sick, or other time off."

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Liz
Liz

Yes, you would report the severance and paid-out PTO on the dates you received them. For the last day worked, you should report February 11, as that's the last day you performed work duties. The wages you received until March 20 are not considered "wages for work" since you weren't actively working, so you don't report them as such.

This tracks the statutory framework for unemployment eligibility: a claimant is "unemployed" in any week in which no services are performed and no wages are payable (Unemployment Insurance Code § 1252), and payments like severance made under a separation plan are excluded from the definition of "wages" for unemployment purposes (CA Unemp Ins Code § 1265), a rule the California Supreme Court confirmed in Powell v. California Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board (63 Cal. 2d 103 (1965)). Paid-out PTO, by contrast, reflects wages already earned for work performed and is generally treated as reportable income when filing.

Ok, got it. Thanks very much.

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Liz
Liz

You're very welcome.

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